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Teachers know Wii is not Next gen

August 16, 2007

Back to school, back to school, to prove to my resume, that I’m not a fool.

So I was 15 classes shy of graduating with a degree titled Bachelor in Computer Information Technology: Computer Graphics blah blah blah.

With my employer paying the bill and 13 left I am on my way to getting the piece of effin paper that I hate to need.

Now, to my story…


Yesterdays class was Texture for 2-D/3-D, which is nothing more than a Photoshop class with a little Maya mixed in. We will learn to make textures to apply to video games and models for animation. Some of the stuff the teacher’s last class did was take screens from old…OLD games and make textures and remake the screen shot for today’s graphics. I.E. they did Kid Icirus and made the game look modern. At the end of the semester we will bring get a screen of a next gen game and recreate our own version.

“So by next gen you mean 360, PS3 and not Wii”, I shout out.

“Why the hell would you want to make Gamecube games when you could make photo realistic PS3 and 360 games. Why not make a game for the N64, or PS1 while your at it?” the teacher throws back.

At this point a group of people say “Hey, I like my Wii, but the graphics do blow.”, or they say “Pft, Game Cube 1.5”.

These are future developers of the industry Nintendo. Even your fans know you blow. Is that why you are pushing away the hardcore gamers?


18 Comments leave one →
  1. August 16, 2007 2:29 pm

    Hey, I also took some of those classes in college (albeit many, many years ago), and let me tell you: I would rather get started on a “GameCube 1.5” than jump into the dangerous waters of PS3’s Cell processor!

    I say, learn to run before you try learning how to fly!

  2. frisby permalink
    August 17, 2007 1:10 am

    True. Maybe we need to take a stand. We and good games on the Gamecube 1.5. They don’t want us to make them, so fuck em. Lets mack the best games the Wii will ever see. Maybe some hardcore gamers will still own a console when it comes out, maybe there is still hope, maybe…Nintendo won’t let us license it.

    Fuck it, I should have started working on the Cell. Damn it.

  3. August 17, 2007 12:25 pm

    Doesn’t the RSX in the PS3 have more to do with what you’re doing than the CELL, friz? Cell being the CPU, i don’t see its connection to your graphics course.

  4. August 17, 2007 1:10 pm


    Yep, Rollin caught us at a technicality: the Cell processor is the PS3’s CPU. Its graphics are handled by the NVIDIA RSX!

    Still, from what I’ve read, developing graphics for the PS3 is quite expensive, starting from getting the rootkit. Although, I suppose you can develop graphics for its games without having to program the games themselves…

  5. frisby permalink
    August 19, 2007 2:14 pm

    Graphics cards are only as powerful as the processor. It takes a powerful processor to render such graphics.

  6. turkish permalink
    August 19, 2007 6:24 pm

    I’d kill to make a game on any console, 360, ps3, or Wii. I wonder what kind of student would be such a tool as to turn his nose up at any of the 3 as if it’s not worthy of his/her talent. You’re a fucking student afterall. I say if you have that type of snobbish attitude toward making games, us gamers don’t need you.

  7. August 20, 2007 11:05 am

    “Graphics cards are only as powerful as the processor. It takes a powerful processor to render such graphics.”

    Iiii see. That makes sense.

    Turkish: gamers don’t need a lot of things.

  8. August 20, 2007 11:44 am

    I’ve always been more curious about how to make games and applications for the GBA and the DS… They seem more single-independent-developer friendly!

  9. turkish permalink
    August 20, 2007 1:48 pm

    “gamers don’t need a lot of things.”

    No, but we need people to make games if nothing else, just not people like this, thats all I’m saying.

  10. frisby permalink
    August 20, 2007 10:07 pm

    My point is that these Studends (I am not into making games anymore, just a 3d ani class) are saying Wii is weak. These are the hardcore gamers who refuse to put up with the Wii on gaming and crating.

    If hardcore gamers wont play the Wii or even consider making games for it, what kind of future is that for other hardcore gamers who want wii games?

    I would never, EVER turn down the opportunity to work on any legit game. Just give me my poly count and texture limits and watch the level building magic happen. I’m a level builder more than anything. I can zone it and lower the polys like I wanted to do it for a living.

  11. turkish permalink
    August 21, 2007 12:10 am

    I understand what you’re saying. I’m just saying that people with that attitude are never gonna be the stars of tomorrow. It’s too limiting. The people who really make something with themselves see possibilities, not limits. This is in regard to any industry.

    Imagine what games we would have missed out on because some elitist snob would only program for the N64 because it could render better graphics than the PS1, or would only work on the PS1 because they could do FMV, or whatever. How about the fantastic indie games for PC or LIVE arcade. What if the guys at bizarre creations refused to do something as simple as geometry wars? We wouldn’t have that great game.

    You think those guys regret their decision? Do those students thing they would be slumming to work on a project like that? Just because geometry wars isn’t some incredible epic adventure with photo realistic graphics? I doubt it. They made something magical.

    “I would never, EVER turn down the opportunity to work on any legit game. Just give me my poly count and texture limits and watch the level building magic happen.”

    This is the kind of attitude that can take you places.

  12. August 21, 2007 12:30 pm

    I don’t think it’s really limiting them. All developers, and i’m talking about the established kind, have console preferences. It shouldn’t surprise you that the majority of people in a graphics class would prefer to work on the graphically advanced systems.

    What we really need are those developers who pump out the cash-ins to propel Wii and DS software to new “heights”. Those guys are taking us somewhere.

  13. August 21, 2007 1:22 pm

    I think there are a lot of hardcore gamers/designers/programmers that would like to try their hand at developing a whole game by themselves or with a reall small team, like the team that developed Geometry Wars. Those kind of developers know that they can do wonders by themselves working on simpler systems…

    This, of course, could change with the promise from Sony that the PS3 will feature developer tools to make simpler games for their online shop.

  14. turkish permalink
    August 22, 2007 12:07 am

    Console preferences is fine. Console snobbery is something else altogether, and is, in fact, very limiting. One should not be confused with the other. “Pft, gamecube 1.5” is pretty weak sauce for someone who wants to be a developer. They better grow up and realize their first job will most likely be the most shit-eating menial task just to get on a real project before they start turning their noses up. In fact, in all likelihood their first experiences will be on some downloadable flash game or some other throwaway project just to get some real world experience, or perhaps they are too good for that as well. There’s no use in defending that kind of attitude no matter what console they like/dislike.

  15. August 22, 2007 1:09 am

    Even devs can be fanboys. :/

  16. turkish permalink
    August 22, 2007 7:38 pm

    Devs can be fanboys once they’ve proven themselves. Until then, they are just plain fanboys, who, most likely won’t cut it if they limit themselves to 1 platform, genre, style, etc. I wish them luck, they’ll need it, fanboy or not.

  17. August 22, 2007 11:00 pm

    I wasn’t excusing them, i’m saying that even they are not immune to fanaticism.

  18. turkish permalink
    August 24, 2007 8:27 am

    I know. I understand. I’m just saying that if they let that fanaticism limit the choices they have as they begin their career (by turning up their noses at particular consoles/genres/styles for pretentious reasons), they are in for a tough ride. When you’re starting out, if you want to be successful, at ANYthing, you gotta put that shit on the shelf and get serious. You gotta take when you can get, do great at it, earn some respect and THEN you can start acting like a snob. If you act like a snob BEFORE you prove yourself, you’ll be in trouble and thats what these kids seem to be doing.

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